Aleah Foaling Review: A Tragic Situation
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Aleah Foaling Review: A Tragic Situation

March 5, 2020


So… Uhhh You can’t see it because I am NOT going to post the video but she started having Signs that she’s gonna be foaling soon. She was standing up and down a bit Turning and looking at her sides That went on for a while. I went out to the barn and Walked her for a while. She started having contractions I didn’t see any progress happening. So I changed my position went to an actual stall to look at her and That’s when I saw the Dark-grayish-red Bulge Instead of what would normally be Either a foal’s hooves or a white… Kind of sac bulging out that hasn’t had the fluid burst, or anything like that. The allantoic sac. so quickly cover what happened she was Sorry, I’m trying to get my thoughts in order here. She was Or “He.” He was born So the position was What do you even call it now. He has upside down… Upside-down, head up, And red bag. So what that is essentially, red bag is placenta previa. The placenta detaches from inside the uterus and goes to the The cervix and exits It’s what you see first. The problem there is that when the placenta is detached from the uterus There is no longer that blood barrier between the foal and the dam and so it’s not receiving any oxygen. It’s an emergency situation where you basically just grab the foal and you start pulling to get it out. If you don’t the foal suffocates would be the best way to describe it. It never gets to breathe at all. It just runs out of oxygen In it’s blood. It’s something that happens within minutes So that was the first Sorry, Brenda just… So that was the first Major hurdle in this situation and I saw that and went okay We’ve dealt with the red bag before we have a video before that you can watch No problem, I just hopped in. I called out Brenda’s name she’s in the house and I got ready to start pulling the bag out. Pulling the placenta out to get to the foal, to be able to pull the foal out. at that point Once I was finally able to get it torn open to be able to get my hands in there to grab the foal there were no legs. and so I believe you call up side, I’ve got it my book inside. Upside down. So what happens is the foal was lying on it’s back Looking up at the mare’s spine Normally what happens that’s their position when they’re in the belly just about ready to be born. They’ll be lying there looking up the spine and then when they get in the birth canal. Just before the the birth canal they have their legs offset like this, and above their head like that. As soon as it starts going in the birth canal, or the vagina, it takes this kind of corkscrew turn So that just as it’s coming out it does that turn and it actually ends up coming out like this If I were her, thank you. They have to come out like that instead of And so he never turned and when you come out you can see the back end of the horse is rounded like this and you want to come out and that direction and when you’re upside down you’re like that and That bends the opposite direction you should be going and it becomes very difficult to Get the foal out. Basically. The only way you can do it is stuff it back in and walk the mare or turn the foal around and then Try again So that was the next problem on top of that when I put my hand in I felt the skull and I didn’t feel legs and I didn’t feel the nose so at this point the Arms were tucked in So instead of being out like that it was like this and Then instead of having the nose pointed the head was tucked down into the chest So I was feeling the back of the skull where I should be feeling two toes or two feet And then the nose At that point The foal was doomed There was no way on earth I could correct that in time To before the foal died. So at that point the the race was to save Aleah The biggest problem was knowing exactly what position the full was in Was extremely difficult at the time because her cervix hadn’t completely dilated. So There wasn’t room to feel what was going on and the position of the foal because the foal was taking up essentially all of the room and you could Barely slide your fingers. And so you couldn’t feel or grab anything Which made things even worse obviously The vet was able to get both legs after a lot of work both legs forward first But was never able to get the head to flip up and we tried a few times to try to pull the foal out And unable to get the foal over the Over the Sacrum to go up the pelvis to come up and over that The hill on their back and down towards the tail We could never get up and through there’s an opening there And it would not fit could not fit and it didn’t matter what we did as soon as a little red bag and as soon as I didn’t feel feet I called the vet and just said you need to get out here. This is You know situations really bad so that’s on the way we’re trying repeatedly finally after about 35 minutes we just stopped We were exhausted we weren’t getting anywhere we were unable to reposition the foal Horses have very very strong Contractions and our arms when our arm was in there You can only fit one with being completely like crushed and there Every time you try to slide in near the head to reposition anything she would have a contraction And we got the point we weren’t going for getting anywhere So that point we waited for the vet The vet shows up, tries a couple times and goes alright We need a sedate her, we sedate her so he could really in there and work around Even then he’s like I can’t do much. She’s not fully dilated He’s moving around. He finally able to go okay. Here’s the arm. There’s the arm And it took him a minute to try to sort out everything he pushed stuff in and pulled it out a couple times finally oK We’ve got the arms the back of the skull tried repeatedly to flip the skull up So that we could actually pull it out Couldn’t do it couldn’t do it Gave her an epidural. Hey kid. Give her an epidural to try to even get her to relax because she was still having contractions Even then couldn’t do it. So we ended up opting instead of putting her down to go and take the next step which was Getting ketamine completely dropping her down on the ground It’s dangerous as soon as you put a horse on the ground with Anesthesia, there’s a danger of them dying because sometimes they don’t come out of it. Well The longer horses down on the ground the greater the chance that they will die and The bigger concern was the way we had to do. This was we had to install a bolt up there run a rope down tie it on her legs and then Hoist her legs up so that her back was you know that high off the ground Near her her hind end The reason we had to do that was so that all of the intestines would slide forward towards the diaphragm Lungs so there was room to move the foal That becomes risky because then that starts to put pressure on the lungs Puts pressure on the lungs which then increases the chance of the mare dying So we got to that point, had her totally anesthetized, had her hind up in the air Pulling on the foal, reposition the foal, pulling on the foal, over and over and just weren’t getting anywhere and I I don’t even know how long we were. For an hour we were working to get that foal out We were finally able to after multiple attempts He was finally able to get just I don’t even know what part Some part of the jaw that he was able to finally get ahold of to flip the nose up at that point we were able to work and work to where we were able to see the The tongue and part of the lower the upper jaw actually sticking out This is where it gets kind of graphic, but I’m just telling you everything that occurred We started traction So they’re two different types. There are chains and there are like nylon webbing, and then you have handles And you wrap them around the legs they do this with cows a lot and you start pulling it’s Very a very simple thing you try not to do with horses Horses have a much higher incidence of tearing, vaginal tearing A hoof going up and perforating the vaginal wall. and going up into the rectum, which will then kill the mare Perforation down into the abdominal cavity which will then result in peritonitis and kill the mare. tearing of the Uterus, which can then cause the mare to bleed, to bleed internally and die. So there are a lot of complications We decided, if we don’t get the foal out she’s gonna die. She may die with us getting the foal out. So we’re going to try. Essentially let’s just give it a shot because she’s Six of one half a dozen of the other she’s going to die. So let’s at least see if we can possibly save her at that point we Would pull. I ended up on traction and then he would reposition the foal slightly, and then we pull and then I pulled steady Pressure and then repositioned we kept doing this repeatedly Until finally we felt like we had a position would work and started pulling then we felt a give and we’re going alright either, A. that’s a part of the full that is given Or it’s actually shifted and moved in position and easier to get it out So here’s where it’s graphic What ended up happening next is we had to put our feet on her hind end because we didn’t have the actual tool used for cattle for pulling calves out We didn’t have one. So we put a foot on her hind Holding going to handle each on the chain and webbing for the traction and just started pulling And Both of the arms came through so we ended up. And just so you know the foal is Dead. Long. dead, about, a long time dead. So the arms came right off at the shoulder. Just slipped right out There is no socket that they’re in And so it’s not like anything, nothing really had to break. It’s just all ligament and tendon, muscle At that point we went “oh great” Now we’re in a lot of trouble. We don’t have anything to hold on to to get the foal out The head was there so he was able to get his hand in and kind of grab the the jaw, and and pull and then you’re finally able to get behind the head itself and start pulling once we got the head out, then we were able to wrap and combine to get the rest of the foal out. We had to twist it a couple of times Because the neck Neck was Kind of curved so not only did it tip its head down like that, it like this weird curve with its head So we had to reposition several times slowly twisting him because the service was so tight We’re finally able to get the foal out. At which point we went into recovery with Aleah. Waiting for her to come back, come out, help her stand up, keep her from stumbling around, hitting things or a thrashing or falling. This happens to horses when they’re coming out of sedation Thankfully she didn’t And waited for her to fully recover. Put her on two painkillers antibiotics We flushed out her uterus basically just putting a tube up and putting Like a iodine solution and Flushing out everything her uterus did that a couple times and then it turned into a game of waiting The most severe problems like internal bleeding she would have died fairly soon after she was up so Rather quickly, we went great. There’s no internal bleeding. The next problem is Essentially if she develops If there happened to be like a minor tear, than getting peritonitis. And so at that point it’s like okay. We keep an eye on her. We watch her. We see if she starts to shake shiver sweat Temperatures skyrockets things like that. Then you know that there’s some sort of infection and she has not developed displayed those signs yet thankfully and so the last back the last thing is just other types of Bacterial infections and she’s on antibiotics for that as well She’s also on oxytocin for another 24 hours, I believe with John Zito’s in case causes contractions and That’s to make sure that everything inside her uterus is pushed out if anything left in there it will start to rot Inside and then you get an infection and die So that’s where we are right now And it’s just waiting the next several days It’s a painkiller twice a day antibiotics twice a day constant supervision and if she gets by for three days, she’s Pretty Pretty good Pretty safe. I guess would be the way to talk about it. She goes three days. I feel confident that she will survive and point later on in The spring I’ll talk to the vet for sure, but then having her ultrasound to see what kind if any damage was done to to a uterus scarring things like that to see essentially Is she still okay to breed? Whether or not we decided to breed her even if she is okay to breed is a separate subject But to see what condition she’s in and also the possibility of harvesting eggs So that’s where we sit with that Yeah, so I will just answer a couple questions Oh Yeah, they’re so I guess people there was absolutely nothing have no about what happened There’s literally nothing that anyone could have done unless we had a window on the side of her body to see exactly where the fool was and how it was moving and To know how dilate the cervix was. I mean there it was the perfect storm each of those problems are things that by themselves can be dealt with and and addressed and safely deliver a full Individually but with the head being talked and Upside down and red bag and having the arms tucked into the chest as well all of those combined it’s there’s no inner the flow would ever survive and it’s Not quite a miracle she’s still alive but She had very very very small odds to live And so she’s still alive, which is kind of crazy That night joke that she is part cow because you can do just about anything to account and they’re perfectly fine and Wonderful days as even sometimes they leave like pieces of uterus their Placenta inside the uterus and just let it rock and come out and the cows don’t even care where were the horse it would die rather quickly, so There’s some sort of super machine Questions How it Brendan Eich hoping with this I am and I’m Brendan and I are two totally different people. I am very pragmatic. I have very little emotion and so to me the dealing with it is partially just intrigue and interest because that’s something that Really? Even as a vet you would see once in your life at the entire situation the cult combination so it’s very interesting to to be there as it unfolded and all the way through to the end and it was wonderful that Alea stayed alive So far, I still don’t know whether or not show succumb to something else after this process So there’s that they just the absolute interest factor That and I have a really good relationship. So we actually talk through these things about Stuff other than what we’re working on and also what we’re specifically working on So it’s a really nice Synergistic relationship and Learn a lot from him. And so I enjoy doing I don’t enjoy the fact that they happen but when all the things like this do occur I enjoy being there because I learned it’s easy for me to distance myself emotionally from the situation While I was waiting for him to show up And Brenda had gone into the house. I tried by myself a few more times to adjust and move the phone just went this isn’t going to happen and gave myself about one minute to really just kind of freak out in my head and then when okay, I’ve done now I Dealt with that and now I just wait for the vet and I don’t need to do Now I can just focus on the job at hand and get it taken care of Brenda It’s not So the tragedy is We didn’t ever know the full in any way obviously no one knew the full it died before It ever had a chance to be born so it’s not like You know, it’s not like when puck died or Annie where there was a an emotional relationship Established. It was more of a loss of just life And an ally loss of something that you have been breeding for for a while specifically alayan rez and the combination and so I think Brenda and you could ask her is very Hurts nothing she’s affected by it a lot more than me, but the silver lining and it is a huge silver lining is that all day is still alive, so That that was actually a decision when we started breeding Was sometimes you get in a situation where it may come down to? Do you save the full three? Do you save the mayor and we sat down and talked and decided that in those situations we would save the mayor So I think it was easier for us We were already prepared Obviously not prepared for everybody and at least mentally thought of a situation possibly occurring where you may have to make a decision one of the other so Although in this case. We didn’t make a decision when the other we were still prepared for the That hole would die and the mayor would live So I think we were They’ve been fortunate in such a horrible situation I’m not sure how to I don’t know. How did this write it all

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  1. I'm truly sorry for your loss. It's the down side of breeding anything I'm afraid. You and Brenda are in our thoughts and we'll keep everything crossed that Aleah continues to recover and goes on to have a successful pregnancy and delivery next time.

  2. Again, I am so very sorry. What a traumatic situation for you and Brenda to have to deal with, and poor Aleah. But well done to all your and the vets work for getting Aleah through it all and this far. I hope she continues to get well and recover. xx

  3. You are very courageous, strong, brave and a phenomenal horse owner for everything you have did and done, thank you so much

  4. I am deeply, deeply sorry for you, your family and Aleah and her precious colt. My heart aches for you all. And in listening to your detailed recount of what transpired, and the actions you took, it's clear you did everything possible to try to save the colt, and then to save Aleah. God bless you and comfort you.

  5. i was so unaware of this i reallly thought she was gonna pull thru and have the baby i am soo so sorrrry and heartbroken my sympathies and gods love

  6. Such a terrible situation for you and your mare 🙁 From your description, it sounds like the foal may have been dead even before Aleah began foaling. We had a similar situation last season with one of the standardbred mares, huge dystocia and a big effort to save the mare- the vet determined the foal had died some hours/days before the mare actually foaled. I really hope Aleah is on the mend and suffers no further complications and that you don't have any more foaling difficulties! It is not something I would wish on anyone, its just terrible for everyone involved 🙁

  7. Fo, thankyou so much for this – I really appreciate you taking the time to explain exactly what happened so soon after such a sad event. I have learned a lot, and I'm keeping everything firmly crossed that Aleah survives this unscathed.

  8. So glad everyone is okay. Thoughts and prayers for y'all and Aleah. So sad about the Colt but it happens sometimes and we can't control it. Hopefully Aleah recovers well 💜

  9. This is what I like about LH. They take the time to thoroughly explain situations instead of just leaving things be and have people speculate. Prayers for Aleah and her progress, much love and warm thoughts to everyone involved. ❤️

  10. My mare was never the same after she lost her foal. Pretty similar to this situation. She just never recovered mentally. Best of luck to you.

  11. Can’t tell you how much I appreciate Fo/Taylor taking the time to explain exactly what happened at such a sad time for he and his whole family, both 2 and 4 legged. Take some small measure of joy that the small community of internet folks hold you very dear even if most will never get to physically hug you.

  12. I been in this situation with sheep. I was on a farm and the farmer scanned the ewe (1st timer) was having one but she was having triplets. The first two came out find, but I could feel a third and it was stuck. The farmer came back and he proceed to pull it out, and the limbs came off and were like black. Sadly he lost the ewe as well two days later. I wouldn't like to see that again.

  13. Prayers and God's hands on this Beautiful animal as she goes through recovery,she will be ok……😘love and light(she is in the best of health with y'all 😘)

  14. Brenda and Taylor,
    Man has it been a sad and crazy year for the 3 of you, including Madison.👧🏼 loosing your sweet pets.

    Taylor you did a terrific job with presenting and educating us all that happened to Aleah.
    From your description of the red bag presenting and the position of the foal was just a myriad problems to encounter and you and Brenda kept your cool so you could focus on the job at hand.
    So very glad that Aleah is up moving around and eating.Just have to keep an eye on her for now.
    Hopefully the two of you will be able to get some much needed rest before too long. 🤞🏼
    Stay strong!
    I should be able to send a donation to help out with the vet bill and I definitely want to pitch in for Puck.

  15. Fo ,this is so much appreciated from all of us who watch and learn from you and Brenda! Thankyou for recording this for all who need to see and know what happened! Much love and prayers for Aleah, you, Brenda and Madison. You and Brenda are amazing, It is so wonderful that you could stil lsave Aleah ; sorry about the colt . Thanks again for all you do, 💖p. S. Thanks to your vet also!

  16. Sad Just very sad.. You did a superb job Fo I am sure the vet was impressed with the help you gave him. So many would have freaked out but you kept a cool head. Sometimes nature can be cruel but you deal with it and turn it over to God…May God Bless you and your little family , You are special people!

  17. this is why you don't continuously breed horses but I assume once she's better you'll just breed her again right? I hate seeing horses bred like this and locked up in stables with rugs on

  18. I am SO SORRY, for YOUR heartbreaking LOSS!!!! You BOTH are such LOVING caretakers, and I know that this is VERY difficult for YOU both!!!! I hope that Aleah recovers totally!!!!! MUCH LOVE!!!!

  19. I know one of the first steps with calving complications that become dangerous for the mother is to saw the calf into pieces (it’s gross but remember it’s to save the mother)

  20. Do vets ever do emergency C-sections? I know it would be too late for the foal in this case but mom is lucky to be with you folks. Glad she appears to be ok. Your explanation was just fine.

  21. Aww, always a shame when this happens. So sorry for the loss & am VERY glad momma pulled through – great job by your vet. Excellent veterinarians are worth their weight in gold, they truly are. Hope the mare recovered well and has a successful foaling next time. My sympathy to all.

  22. Many horses break legs coming out of anathetic which is why most equine operating rooms are padded so if they fall they don’t end up breaking something it’s why you don’t put horses under anasetic lightly for any old reason it’s something you only do if it’s important as it would be pointless to put them under for something minor and then end up having to put them down because they break a leg

  23. If you breed often enough you will experience many different problems you are very lucky to still have your mare treasure her

  24. Horride I hope the black horse recovers, you shouldn't breed with her again , they are priceless and precious .

  25. Was this her second foal or did she have twins and the first was born but this one died in utero? I watched the other video and then this one so I am a bit confused.

  26. I aam so sorry mom lost her baby. Nature is not always kind. This one was out of your hands in the end. Bless you all

  27. Rough…dangerous situation, lucky the mare survived, you would have had to section her to save that foal. Don't believe that can be done, certainly not at that point. Total malpresentation.

  28. I would have dimembered that foal with an embryotome. Gruesome, but necessary in these situations, saves damaging the mare internally more than will be done pulling intact.

  29. Give her a foal t'sniff at and mother, mebbe? Done that with a cow lost her calf..grafted a calf on her, she'd had a rough birth was sick and depressed..that calf saved her LIFE.

  30. And where was help for this poor horse. I’ve been watching your videos, and I know help is not needed most the time but someone should be there! These horses are not under good supervision! Just a thought from a people delivery nurse! Vets are for a reason. All these words change nothing!

  31. From what I understand, the foal was basically a "breach". If you don't know what a breach birth is. I'll explain as best I can. Think in human terms .
    It basically means the baby is in the wrong position. Human are babies are supposed to be born head first. If a baby is born feet first then that is dangerous for both mother and child. If the baby is not turned to the correct position in time then both mother and child may die.

  32. Thank you for explaining your experience in such detail in this tragedy. Blessings 🙏 to all involved.

  33. really appreciate all the explainations. very interesting. only 1 thing I don't understand: normal births don't require pain meds. What are the reasons for the pain meds. in this instance? Hope she will be fine. so sorry about the foal, though.

  34. I can't really hear and this was in my YouTube videos to watch. From.what I gather, the foal was breach and died and the mare, Aleah, almost did, too? Sorry for your loss. Poor little thing. I hope Aleah is doing well. I didn't notice the date this was uploaded, but with all this said, who is Aleah and what is the purpose of putting backyard horses through this? Racemares are abused for the almighty dollar, but why do people want to breed backyard horses…period. Some breed donkeys with ponies, etc, what is the point. And once in awhile, maybe, but year after year like thoroughbreds is, imo, abusive.

  35. I really Pray to God Aleah has another foal and you allow her to keep the foal. You can tell she knows her baby is gone. So sad. I’m Praying for her and hope she had a full recovery. They have feelings also and can sense a lot more things then us. 💔💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏🙏🐎🐎🐎🐎

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