Discipline and horses – breaking spirit vs teaching manners. Naughty horse or poor handling?
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Discipline and horses – breaking spirit vs teaching manners. Naughty horse or poor handling?

August 16, 2019


This horse here he’s supposed to be a commercial horse and doing its job. I don’t know, the woman’s had it a few months so I don’t know, its not for me to judge anybody else, I’m merely saying he’s a commercial horse. You open the door and the first thing he’ll do is always turn his quarters towards you. So when you go in see this? “Don’t touch me, leave me alone” “I’m not doing that” His advantage is he’s in a stable; we’ve just put him in a stable to show you. So what the lady’s been doing if you don’t mind she keeps them in stables so to get him she feeds him over the door, then puts a leadrope on him and does what she’s got to do, lead him out, muck him out, do whatever she’s got to do. See this? That’s threatening That’s a threatening attitude, that shaking the head from side to side, ears back Open the thing look and he comes straight round. I haven’t got any food, I’ve not come in here to feed him or to bribe him. He won’t kick me because he’s been disciplined a bit but he’s not been here long enough for me to discipline it out of him. Im just going to go out of sight of this stable, just going to take a few steps back and the lass is just going to come to the door. This little lass is not stupid she’s been here with me, you’ll see her on the films she’s only spent 15 days with me so far, she’ll do 20 in all on her work experience she’s already driving pairs, unicorns,
singles all the different stages of training with all the horses we’ve got in at the moment. So we’ll just step back over here I’m not going to let her go in the stable, or let the door shut, I don’t want to put her in danger but this is supposed to be a commercial horse. S: He thought I had some food. B: See this now? Because he thinks you’ve got food, the ears, the warning, the ears back where he’s been used to being fed. Now we’ll prove what we say, this is what the lady’s done. Now take the bucket to the door Oh, nice friendly horse now! No trouble at all. You can get hold of him and catch him but look at him, look, look at the attitude of the horse. Look at his ears – he’ll pull back in a minute
when he knows there’s no bucket to have. He might nip and bite. And this is an ill-mannered horse in my opinion. Some people would tolerate that and say that’s fine but see the ears, the mouth going and you can say well you’re tormenting him because we just brought a bucket well if you’ve got to take a horse out the stabe and you need a bucket of food to get him to the door to clip a leadrope on so that you can get in the stable, that’s diabolically stupid with any horse let alone one that you want to use for commercial work. If you’ve got to feed it or it turns its quarters to you that’s highly dangerous. Now one day I promise you, I don’t want it to happen, but that’ll kick somebody. Now if it happens to be you’ve just got your head down like this, you’ve got your food there and he isn’t quite ready, open the door and he’d kick you straight in the head. He behaves exactly like a stallion, you see him up here trying to smell the horse next door He’s not a rig but he behaves that way. What it is he’s too full of himself, got too much confidence in himself. With me, he’s not so keen. “You do…” But see, look now see the attitude? And that’s with me. See what he’s like with the little girl, worse. And with the owner, if she’s got to feed him to get him out the stable its just ridiculous. That is not… these horses are not safe for those two reasons. They’ve come here for me to do the best I can with, which I’ve done in the time I’ve been allocated. That’s it, that’s all I can say. “You do” “Stand still” But all the time he can push the boundaries ears back, turn his arse towards you, threatening you, that’s it. Exactly the same as you’d see behaviour in a field of horses. One will put his ears back, turn his arse “Keep away from me I’m eating this hay you stay away” He thinks he’s in charge but if this horse the size of him, well a shetland pony would hurt you but if he kicked you by christ he’d kill you. Catch you right, you’re dead. But he’s not a bad horse really but he’s been allowed to have this attitude, look. You want to learn to read horses, if you can read a horse and understand, watch horses in a field and learn it’s the best encyclopaedia you’ll ever get on the behaviour of horses. The point I’m trying to make, you’re doing a wedding, that’s what this lady does is weddings. So you go to a location and you put your horses
together – that might be in a quite often is in a public space wherever you can do it is what you’d do. So what if you’re in a public space, you bring the horse off the lorry, tie him up on the side and he won’t tolerate people behind him, whilst you’re getting the harness or doing something, you’ve got your back turned for a second and you get somebody come up behind and he kicks them, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? Are you going to claim off the insurance? And that’s why insurance costs so much money these days and why they’re going to stop driving on the road one day because people… the standards are falling all the time. The old horsemen and people that knew what they were doing are not around anymore. And the standards are dropping. It’s no different today; the horse hasn’t changed, its the people that have changed and haven’t got the ability or the know-how anymore. I’m not saying I’m the best man in the world with a horse and I’m not lecturing anybody, I’m just saying unless we keep these standards they’ll stop this, driving. I keep saying this: discipline in this day and age is a dirty word Discipline is nothing to do with
smacking, hitting with a piece of that blue plastic pipe I’ve seen them hit with, kicking them, beating them – it’s nothing to do with that. Its far from that, its a million miles from that – that’s not discipline, that’s cruelty. What you need to do is say to a horse “that is your place, that is what I want you to do and you will do it” Never ask the horse to do more than a horse can do which is ridiculous ask what the horse can do. But if I’m a liar, if I’ve got it wrong, if I don’t know what I’m talking about how do all my horses do what they do on the films you see, 150 films on Youtube? People all over the world asking me would I go out there, break horses, there’ll always be a place for you we’ll pay all your flights and all that, constantly all the time, I’ll show you the emails. I’m not interested. I’m not interested in people I’m interested in horses and them having a good start and being happy in what they do. But I don’t smack him, I stand there until he does it and then he’s happy because he knows his place like any horse knows his place in the herd. Its not hard, its not rocket science, I’m not a genius with horses or any nonsense like that – anybody can do it but look at it from the right way. There’s always hierachy. I’ve got to be at the top so they do what I ask them to do you haven’t got to hit them, kick them or hurt them but you’ve got to be brave enough to do it and the standards are falling all the time. People say, I heard it said “Breaking their spirit” – its nothing to do with breaking their spirit I want my horses to have as much spirit as they can, as much as they want but that wants to be tempered and controlled. When you see my horses going down the road, their ears are pricked, their knees are up, they’re enjoying it, going out, doing their job. I don’t hit them you never see me use a whip. I might have one on there occasionally to tap one horse up but 90% of the time I don’t use a whip and I drive them in a piece of soft rubber. I’ve not got them down on the bit pulling their heads off – they’re doing what I say not because I can stop them with a ig lump of metal but because I ask them to. That’s discipline.

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  1. Youre right. But not just talking about it, do it ! Put that horse in a n other box first. He Needs to watch out, to see whats going on around the barn, he Needs to have contact to other horses. This Frisian Horse cant even see the horse next box ! Thats isolating, and not what a horse used to. And then, take him out, work with him in a roundpen. Tell him who Comes first in your "herd". And he will accept it. Go ahead. The Situation now is so bad for this horse in this small box, this horse dont feel save, not confortable. That a reason some horses gets aggressiv. Change his Situation. Ist hard, to see owner handling wrong. But we have to expalin them, and tell how to do right. Not for us, for the horse…..

  2. He reminds me of a horse a ride. A friesian gelding with a tough character. I don't always know what to do with him, but I try to do the thing I think is best.

  3. The stable I'm riding at rotates horses on a monthly basis. So one particular gelding had exactly this same attitude showing me his rear. I was taught in the stable to move along his right side and turn him but this behavior kept repeating itself until I put a lid on it. I researched different methods and tricks and in the end what worked was I took a longish dressage crop and tickled his legs, I completely took him by surprise (he spooked, his face expression was priceless), he turned, saw me standing there with confidence ready to tickle him again if need be, and that was it. Not only did he stop challenging me on the ground, this also translated beautifully into riding. Last week we flied! He is now my best buddy and follows me like a puppy.

  4. you are one in a million – your knowledge is invaluable – however, the saddest thing is the point your brought forth – it's the "people who have changed" – and the standards are so much lower than that of 'yesteryear. Thank you, still, for sharing your knowledge and experience.

  5. "Authority with Love". if the foal, yearling or 2 y.o. is not "reared" right then you got a problem when 3 to 6 y.o. or older. "Foals need to be handled" BUT not treated like a Pet. I remember a farmer bought a TB mare to bred a race horse well the farmers family treated the mares colt foal, then as a yearling, as if it was a dog feeding it sweets, tit-bits in the stable and not really handling it or maybe letting him away with things. When my Grandfather came to exercise (lunge) the 3 y.o. thoroughbred gelding he had bad habits of biting when you near his head. Never won a race. But another chestnut 3 y.o. N.H. TB gelding I lead around at the sales as my Granda told me to take it off the Dr.'s son (the owners). This horse was reared as a pet too. Even as a gelding he tried very hard to bite / nip me. So I shortened my grip (very short) my right hand and lead him tight so he could bite me every few seconds. An oldish man at the sales pre-parade ring said to me as we walked past "your holding him too tight". So next time round I said to the man "He'd ate ya". the owner got IR£3,200 (1990) went to Limerick to be trained never won in Ireland, went to Scotland called Barnstormer and won the lowest class hurdle race on the easiest racecourse to win at in UK or Ireland "Musselburgh". Gordan Elliott sends a lorry load to the three Scottish tracks as them grade of horses Can't win in Ireland and can hardly win in Scotland.

  6. Apart from all that crap on his head, is there any point to keeping a blanket on while he's stalled? Is it like -20 C in that barn?

  7. Damn excellent observations and talk!!!!! I have seen horses like that turned around and six weeks later they are back with the horse claiming that they don't know what's gone wrong!

  8. Tragic! Great video. This poor, big gorgeous boy is 100% like this because his owner (not the man speaking!!!) SUCKS, and she treats him like he's a machine or a toy. Horses need daily training, and they need to be out in the pasture with OTHER HORSES. The gentleman in the video is saying things that are very similar to horsemen like Rick Gore. They know how to treat and train horses with mutual respect and daily work. Gore would point out the same crucial issues — that this horse is imprisoned in a stall for hours and hours, has not been trained TO SHOW RESPECT (which as this gentleman says is not about "breaking" the horse or whipping a horse), and has been taught very bad habits like only approaching humans gently if he thinks they have food. This horse is a big beautiful boy with a great spirit. This gentleman could make him into an excellent horse but the owner will ruin this horse. She will hurt him by not training him properly and then blaming him when he spooks or kicks. When I heard she used him for "weddings" I just cringed. Awful, and it will not go well for this boy.

  9. The older horse man as this gentleman states so clearly; would never allow washing horses down;
    This horse needs time & plenty of time; in a commercial world of horsemanship it could take 2 years to get this type of horse;
    happy in his work; & would never be suitable for the type of work described
    & then he could still be dangerous; as this gentlemen says so clearly; but what fantastic condition & such presence;
    All horses with spirit take time; but also bad habits learn't are often difficult to cure; there is no way that this type of horse with Temperament such as demonstrated; I wonder & of course what is the horse like with the farrier; Time & patience; most busy horseman just don't have the time required; you just have to go with the horse until the time that he is able to start enjoyng life;
    The is no way of Breaking his spirit; but understanding him; a strong Bolshy BOYO; just make him happy.& hat could take a lifetime; once he is won over ; this is the type of horse that you would never let go; in the right hands; expert patient hands.
    & 121 & still you might fail; it is just common sense to natural horseman'/women.
    one fact is clear; there i s far more skill attached to driving them than riding them. A brilliant video; first you have to love the horse & not frighten or challenge him until he begins to enjoy his work; What a Challenge for someone with plenty of time. & patience. This is the type of spirited horse that you don;t see often. herd instinct.
    & thank you.

  10. So many of the race horses i worked with were like this… I started wacking them in the bum if they turned it to me…

  11. I really appreciated this video. Can you bring us up to date on what you did to get this horse better behaved. I am keenly interested. Thanks.

  12. I have just written a long comment on this issue but I do not know what happened and it disappeared so here is a shorter version.

    This video would still have a meaning if we consider that people like us having to live in a city with all the restrictions in it where we have to obey certain regulations if we are to live in peace with each other. We need to stop at red traffic lights, go to work and not be late, queue at the cashier and so on and on.
    Perhaps the message will be projected quicker but in a tacit manner if I simply modify the title a little:-
    "Discipline and horses – breaking spirit vs teaching manners. Naughty horse or poor handling?"
    to
    Discipline and children – breaking spirit vs teaching manners. Naughty children or poor parental handling?

    When we live in a city, our tribal savage instincts are still dormant in us and let us face it we do let them out sometimes through, " watching horse racing" , " a boxing or a wrestling match", " arguing about monogamy and religions and male and female circumcision to reach cleanliness, be chaste and pure in this dirty world", " go to some nightclub where conventional morality is relaxed" , and if one is not brave enough to do this ," go down the pub to have a couple of pints and drown it all down with some good familiar faces!'

    Barry hook seems an understand gentleman and he feels that all this applies to humans as well as horses, and knowing that we need to be practical yet compassionate, he does his best to ease the methods through which regulations and civic laws are learnt by us and horses alike

  13. Quite correct — the old horsemen are not around. I'm of an age where I know the difference and have been lucky enough to have learned from the genuine thing. I can totally relate to the commentary. The art of horsemanship is long gone and especially in North America.

  14. You are a wonderful horse person…..you KNOW exactly what a horse needs….They MUST know their PLACE! And you are exactly right…You dont need to hit them! I love watching your videos…
    Thank you…..

  15. Has this horse been abused? Or is it spoilt? He is so jumpy and pent up and flinches at the door being opened. I had a pony just like this. We thought he had been beaten, he would not trust. We tried everything. Maybe he just needed a heavy hand?

  16. I'm a horse whisper and I've trained horses worse than him all you have to do is give him the time of day take him in a round pen and lunge him every time he acts out. Eventually he will learn respect. He will think "Ok every time I act out I have to run around this pen so I'm going to be good" but also you have to teach him how to play to because his bad manners could be because he doesn't know how to tell the difference between playing and just being down right rude. Take him to an arena after you lunge him and just play with him like a horse would run, play tag, kick a big ball he will respect you more and see you as more of a horse than just someone who just wants to ride him and put him away. Take him out just to brush him and play show him its not just work he is going out of his stall to do he gets to go out to play and be groomed also. He will enjoy it more.

  17. That horse is stabled. He has high energy. And he shows an above average intellect.
    That is exactly the combination needed for bad behaviour. Just add high anxiety and confinment…and you have a horse so wound up all he CAN do is act out towards anybody who comes near that stall. I had a great horse once. I could trust my life to her, and she trusted me. When I got her she bit, kicked, bucked, and cribbed. She was just like this horse. Previous owner had 'handled' her with whips & more confinement. But 6 months later she did none of those things. One year later she was the sweetest most loyal animal. She did a complete 180. The big secret? Give her room to run & roll. Give her something to occupy her mind & energy. Be kind, yet firm. Be consistent & fair. Get to KNOW the horse, not just USE it. A horse is not a machine. Form a relationship, form a trust with it. This is not all a secret. Think of horses as 1500lbs with a 2 year old mentality! Think one step ahead, establish rules & boundaries. And LOVE your horse. Truly see it for the beautiful sentient feeling creature it is. Make that connection. It is not hard to do. Invest yourself in the process. Invest yourself in discipling the horse. Adapt to situations that let YOU stay in control as the constant reassuring presence in the animals life. Learn to read their body language, the things they 'say' It is not hard to do. My horse was just like this horse…only on steroids. Gentling a horse to cooperate & do what it should do is not hard. Commit 100%. If you only commit in a half-assed way… then you will only get half-assed results.
    If you don"t commit to the process…

  18. I give my horse a little bite of oats when I catch her, AFTER, I put the lead rope on her. And only if she meets me at the gate with no complications, she's the best mannered horse I've met, but she knows she gets the little bite when I catch her that she's done a good job and that's what catching is supposed to be, a good thing, food is what wins her over.

  19. Takes so much longer to retrain rather than do it the right the first time! I had a lovely kwpn mare, super behaviour and never been mean during the five years I had her. Once I was ill someone looked after her for a couple of weeks and suddenly she walked all over the person leading her and rushed into her stable. I had to be very strict (that doesn’t mean hitting!) for many months after that to make sure all that behaviour was 100% gone.

  20. OMG more vids please. My horse is a pain in the ass. He is an OTTB that got away with whatever he wanted to for 7 yrs. He rears, kicks, bites, charges, spins, bucks. I want to be sure that I am disciplining him property.

  21. Hi Barry can you please tell me what to do with my horse when I go in to groom my horse he purposely tries to stamp on me and he bites me and won’t let me groom him I have only had him 7 months and he is a 14,2 Connemara also when I am leading him he rears up and refuses to walk he is not in pain or anything so I have no idea what’s wrong with him 😔?

  22. what you should do is take him out of his stall not just for work or to go to the padock you should take him out on walks (not on his back) but you next to him

  23. This is also how parents grow children with bad attitudes; bribing them to do everything and the anti always has to go up as they grow, which becomes impossible and intolerable and they are the worse for it. Bible says parents who fail to discipline "hate" their children, same could be said for our animals. Proper discipline is an action of love not abuse or corruption, brings good work ethic, confidence, calmness, humbleness, and peace of mind..

  24. I love horses but I 'm scared of them because they're so big and powerful, but so beautiful and majestic ,,

  25. Beautiful Friesian.

    But yes, he needs to learn his place. He is not the herd leader… the human should always be seen as the herd learder.

    That requires strength of character and consistency.

  26. One problem could be in dence populated areas, the horse can have a secret owner.
    I have find carrots where my stallion lives, and also he got a very strange behavior, when i get a stick or somthing from the ground, he is scared and run away.
    He was not like this before.
    So i can suspect he is visited when i am at work, by somebody.

  27. A horse has two options, just like a dog. Either he is above you, or he is below you in status. They have that attitude because they are herd animals and the herd simply needs a leader to make everybody else feel safe. They need a Daddy, basically. Strict but fair and loving. No hitting or beating. So if you're not the leader they need, they feel they will have to rise to the occasion. Now you as a human have two options. Be a great father, or be the boogyman. The first option will keep everybody happy, the second is abusive and dysfunctional and actually quite dangerous. Unfortunately, too many people choose option number 2 and their horses are paying the price. They get the blame and the abuse and the slaughterhouse. So, if you don't know how to handle a horse like a good father, don't get a horse.

  28. I cannot believe the thumbs down on this video! Barry is telling the truth! Animals are NOT people! Even human children require clear boundaries or they become a burden to others and sabotage their own well-being!

  29. Calm and care, his overworked so proberly had muscles pain, massage work
    After time off, he hurt his head too,

  30. It's great learning about horses through your videos as I currently know nothing about horses. I was wondering how you discipline a horse and teach it – exactly like you do a dog. Just they weigh a few tonnes more.

  31. And telling that horse cut it out show it who’s boss by saying that to that horse

  32. I was looking at him I think he's a stomic horse, så pain in stomic
    Moves him, aggressively tense, nervy his attitudes its not only
    Behavior its in a stable, all the horses sleeping safe one steps nervy
    Around the stomic, so more and more horses stomic some dies in
    Bledding, stomic, check vetenany if any chances,

  33. This horse is not a good match for its owner, she is terribly afraid of him. I hope this poor animal didn't have a sad life of being stalled all the time. He wants/needs to move his feet. Poor horse! Take the damn halter off when he's in the stall.

  34. Some people just should NEVER own horse period!! Too many horses are being deemed aggressive or dangerous b/c of the incompetent owner & the horse pays the price! Question though; why in the world put a blanket & keep a halter on a horse while they're locked in a stall. Being trapped in a stall is bad enough as it is. He definitely wasn't started properly & learned he can push his weight around from a very early age. She (the owner) honestly shouldn't get him back or have any other horse for that matter!! B/c of her (the owner) incompetence someone will end up seriously hurt or even killed & the horse will pay for it while she gets off scott free!!

  35. This horse is doing what he's been taught. Unless the owner/trainer has taken the time to learn the horse's language he can't hope to teach the horse the trainers' language. And that language must be clear.

  36. Dead right that the standards are dropping . To many owners these days giving the horse everything it doesn't need and little or nothing of what it really needs . They are all worried about feeding it up on grains and poking all sorts of garbage supplements down its throat ,riding them on an arena for 30 minutes and calling it work , more interested in pulling up to an event with a truck ,car or float that they think makes them look impressive , they over feed and under work the horse and then when they can't ride it they get its back looked at because apparently it must be sore or they change the bit or maybe it's not shod right .They take advice from snake oil salesmen selling all sorts of homeopathic remedies and other quackery for the horse that they have been easily convinced the horse can't live without .They trailer the horse an hour down the road for a lesson but grizzle that it's to far to go to take it to a farrier to be shod .They tie their horses up to string and wonder why it doesn't tie up .apparently if they pull back and can't get away they put their poll out lol ! Go into a tack shed of most of them and you will find a thousand different bits etc . The bottom line is that horsemanship is long gone out the window and what you have now is a bunch of horse hobbyists who are uneducated on the things that really matter . They don't require a horse to be well mannered and behaved because they aren't working with it for 8 hours a day ,they feed it up to look good and have a shinny coat so that they can lead it around in a ring for a 2 dollar ribbon and then run home to post about the win on social media and have it varyified by all followers that they did so well ! What ? In many many cases they are flat out making a fool of an animal that has a proud history and is so much better than what they force it to be . Go to a horse show and watch kids getting towed around by their disrespectful ponies ,neurotic parents all up tight , horses with face hoods etc and covered from head to tail ,they take horse off the float and immediately chuck a hay net under its nose so it don't starve . It's all about the look these days and in order to achieve the look you need zero horsemanship .

  37. The horse is disrespecting you. You can see a mistrusting attitude in his body and his stance, although I’m a novice I can tell that. I can totally understand when you talk about gaining his trust, and I know that working with any trained animal, or training one from the beginning (I’ve only ridden horses twice in my life), I know that when animals learn to trust you, they then respect you. Keep up the good training, and you will hit the nail on the head with that horse. He’ll certainly be a great riding companion. I live in a rural area with my parents and we always slow down in the car whenever we pass someone on a horse so as not to startle the horse. Not many people care about that these days, and what people also lack is common courtesy for people who have animals or livestock.

  38. Only horse I ever trained, I picked him up and carried him around the day he was born. I think he thought from then on I was stronger than him. 😀

  39. there's little need to use horses nowadays. if you can't handle them without being harsh on them, stop breading them so much just to have your own joy at their expence. that's not clever, sir. that's just moronic sadism.

  40. He got away with it for way 2 long,time to established leadership,this can become very dangerous for the horse and owner,this guy is 100% right thank you for sharing,I bought a mule with really bad behavior and its been a journey to correct the bad behavior

  41. I so agree with you. I learned from the old timers too. And the old timers in my day grew up when horses were transportation.

  42. it seems like this happens a lot with reinforced bad behaviors.Perhaps the owner taught this horse this behavior by rewarding him for it with the bribe. the rewarding to me is fine but it there is a subtle window when it has to be done so that the horse doesn't make the wrong association. For instance horse is acting up like this. Owner waits until he turns around to give the treat thinking well he is being immediated rewarded for turning around BUT the horse in his mind thinks he is being rewarded for the performance he just put on. when he thinks the performance is suficiant turns around to get the treat. So it gets reinforced. You have to walk away with the treats when they act up and stand at a distance until they act nice and calm and attention on you then walk forward but dont treat yet. if they turn away put ears back any sign of sourness step away. If they are behaving well take some time to touch and handle them first , groom them.if they are well behaved THEN treat. Any sign of sourness back off. They attach being with you as the good exprience not just gaining treats. The treats are the icing. You need to bring good experiences. Vary it up. Do the same except treats lead them out to a nice patch of grass or hay or take the treats and feed them in different areas as they are behaving well there, and lots of grooming and handling during this process.. I have a horse I'm working with who wouldnt stand still on crossties he would bounce around. So I stood at a distance from him with treats and would not aproach until he was still if he started dancing I backed off. when I could approach with him calm and still and touch him a bit then I treated any nonsense and I sat down and 'ignored' him. But also I dont ONLY wait until he acted up and THEN acted calm! that sinario teaches them "i have to act up first" .treat repitiously (at first) for continued calmness. be alert for wrong associations and correct them. you can then extend the time to just at the end of the session. They know and catch on quick lol

  43. Brilliant, your so right in everything you say. Problem is people expect the horse to understand them. But you have to start by understanding the horse first. I love your videos. Your straight to the point. Barry your a legend!

  44. My grandad had 6 commercial friesians, none of them acted like this. They were all sweet. If a horse like this were put on the road with strangers coming up and letting him, if he nips or kicks off… oh Jesus. Hope you can sort out the ego on this fella.

  45. "The horse ain't changed, it's the people that have changed.." Barry, did you secretly teach my wife how to train me..? lol..

  46. You cannot lock up a prey animal in a stall and pretend she dosen’t go insane or to be in a good mood! C‘mon people put your brains together: if you really love your horses let them out together and take your time to gain their trust on their free will. If you’re not able to do that, don’t keep horses.

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